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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.altmedia.net.au/holy-toledo-batman/14174#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, what you&#039;ve done there is a common media trick of the Lib/Nats, conservative &#039;think&#039; tanks, most cornered flaks - you are asserting a falsehood or a misrepresentation, e.g. that Farrelly (nice disrespectful use of &#039;Elizabeth&#039;, Danny, considering you generally attack men by their surname or a more neutral third person pronoun) is attacking Keneally for being committed to social justice rather than green projects, thereby false-triumphantly dismissing the writer and artificially lauding the Premier. The thing is that the supposed commitment to social justice is a veneer easily served by platitudes and hope bubbles, rather than actual outcomes. Keneally did nothing to serve social justice in her time as planning minister, even though she easily could have. And however people might choose to frame issues relating to the environment, they are really among the greatest social justice issues that our and future generations will have to confront. 
Your alpha-numeric penthouse is built on sand, mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, what you&#8217;ve done there is a common media trick of the Lib/Nats, conservative &#8216;think&#8217; tanks, most cornered flaks &#8211; you are asserting a falsehood or a misrepresentation, e.g. that Farrelly (nice disrespectful use of &#8216;Elizabeth&#8217;, Danny, considering you generally attack men by their surname or a more neutral third person pronoun) is attacking Keneally for being committed to social justice rather than green projects, thereby false-triumphantly dismissing the writer and artificially lauding the Premier. The thing is that the supposed commitment to social justice is a veneer easily served by platitudes and hope bubbles, rather than actual outcomes. Keneally did nothing to serve social justice in her time as planning minister, even though she easily could have. And however people might choose to frame issues relating to the environment, they are really among the greatest social justice issues that our and future generations will have to confront.<br />
Your alpha-numeric penthouse is built on sand, mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Hanney</title>
		<link>http://www.altmedia.net.au/holy-toledo-batman/14174#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Hanney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you people actually reading? The publisher, myself, and other editors have different views across a number of topics, but nothing that we say about Keneally&#039;s appointment has anything to really do with being card-carrying supporters of any particular viewpoint.

To say that the author must be misogynist because of this apparent conspiracy against Keneally (and please make up your mind whether we&#039;re working for the left or right wing on this one) is a self-evident spuriosity.

It would be utterly sexist to give her a free pass just because she has ovaries. People who may have thought installing a woman would deflect some of the ongoing fallout over the Neroesque performance of NSW&#039;s ALP are the sexist protagonist&#039;s here and have, in my opinion, done feminism and the movement for gender equality a far greater disservice than anybody who on the basis of past performance and an evident agenda are happy to openly criticize Keneally and demand that she be held to account.

Kudos for the possibility that she is going to can the Rozelle train line? That&#039;s a bit rich, considering she supported it until it became too politically impossible to do so. And let&#039;s not mention her stated intent to look at overturning Nathan Rees&#039; outgoing expansion of the state&#039;s National Park estate.

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, handles a press conference with less aplomb then a duck, then something&#039;s fowl.

And as for anybody thinking that rejection of Keneally is an embrace for O&#039;Farrell, I really don&#039;t know what you&#039;re smoking but I&#039;d advise you desist. Any kind of decency, skill, or social responsibility from the state opposition over the past decade would have provided some kind of buffer against the s#^!flood that now engulfs Macquarie Street and the rest of this state as a consequence.

If O&#039;Farrell becomes Premier by default, simply because NSW Labor are less welcome than leprosy and yet the population is still not ready for a government of Greens and Independents, will that be the day that democracy strikes a triumphant pose? Or will that day simply punctuate the terrible sentence imposed on this nation&#039;s most populous yet worst represented state?

Her proud claim to preparedness for the job as Minister for Planning was the she had read one of the relevant acts. Is any recent claim by a politician more worthy of a golf clap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you people actually reading? The publisher, myself, and other editors have different views across a number of topics, but nothing that we say about Keneally&#8217;s appointment has anything to really do with being card-carrying supporters of any particular viewpoint.</p>
<p>To say that the author must be misogynist because of this apparent conspiracy against Keneally (and please make up your mind whether we&#8217;re working for the left or right wing on this one) is a self-evident spuriosity.</p>
<p>It would be utterly sexist to give her a free pass just because she has ovaries. People who may have thought installing a woman would deflect some of the ongoing fallout over the Neroesque performance of NSW&#8217;s ALP are the sexist protagonist&#8217;s here and have, in my opinion, done feminism and the movement for gender equality a far greater disservice than anybody who on the basis of past performance and an evident agenda are happy to openly criticize Keneally and demand that she be held to account.</p>
<p>Kudos for the possibility that she is going to can the Rozelle train line? That&#8217;s a bit rich, considering she supported it until it became too politically impossible to do so. And let&#8217;s not mention her stated intent to look at overturning Nathan Rees&#8217; outgoing expansion of the state&#8217;s National Park estate.</p>
<p>If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, handles a press conference with less aplomb then a duck, then something&#8217;s fowl.</p>
<p>And as for anybody thinking that rejection of Keneally is an embrace for O&#8217;Farrell, I really don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re smoking but I&#8217;d advise you desist. Any kind of decency, skill, or social responsibility from the state opposition over the past decade would have provided some kind of buffer against the s#^!flood that now engulfs Macquarie Street and the rest of this state as a consequence.</p>
<p>If O&#8217;Farrell becomes Premier by default, simply because NSW Labor are less welcome than leprosy and yet the population is still not ready for a government of Greens and Independents, will that be the day that democracy strikes a triumphant pose? Or will that day simply punctuate the terrible sentence imposed on this nation&#8217;s most populous yet worst represented state?</p>
<p>Her proud claim to preparedness for the job as Minister for Planning was the she had read one of the relevant acts. Is any recent claim by a politician more worthy of a golf clap?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Hanney</title>
		<link>http://www.altmedia.net.au/holy-toledo-batman/14174#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Hanney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you people actually reading? The publisher, myself, and other editors have different views across a number of topics, but nothing that we say about Keneally&#039;s appointment has anything to really do with being card-carrying supporters of any particular viewpoint.

To say that the author must be misogynist because of this apparent conspiracy against Keneally (and please make up your mind whether we&#039;re working for the left or right wing on this one) is a self-evident spuriosity.

It would be utterly sexist to give her a free pass just because she has ovaries. People who may have thought installing a woman would deflect some of the ongoing fallout over the Neroesque performance of NSW&#039;s ALP are the sexist protagonist&#039;s here and have, in my opinion, done feminism and the movement for gender equality a far greater disservice than anybody who on the basis of past performance and an evident agenda are happy to openly criticize Keneally and demand that she be held to account.

And if somebody who has experience and insight from living in America can offer additional perspective on where she may be coming from, then why should they keep their lips sealed simply to avoid raising the uncomfortable possibility that we have again been ambushed by a dud with an agenda?

Kudos for the possibility that she is going to can the Rozelle train line? That&#039;s a bit rich, considering she supported it until it became too politically impossible to do so. And let&#039;s not mention her stated intent to look at overturning Nathan Rees&#039; outgoing expansion of the state&#039;s National Park estate.

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, handles a press conference with less aplomb then a duck, then something&#039;s fowl.

And as for anybody thinking that rejection of Keneally is an embrace for O&#039;Farrell, I really don&#039;t know what you&#039;re smoking but I&#039;d advise you desist. Any kind of decency, skill, or social responsibility from the state opposition over the past decade would have provided some kind of buffer against the s#^!flood that now engulfs Macquarie Street and the rest of this state as a consequence.

If O&#039;Farrell becomes Premier by default, simply because NSW Labor are less welcome than leprosy and yet the population is still not ready for a government of Greens and Independents, will that be the day that democracy strikes a triumphant pose? Or will that day simply punctuate the terrible sentence imposed on this nation&#039;s most populous yet worst represented state?

Her proud claim to preparedness for the job as Minister for Planning was the she had read one of the relevant acts. Is any recent claim by a politician more worthy of a golf clap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you people actually reading? The publisher, myself, and other editors have different views across a number of topics, but nothing that we say about Keneally&#8217;s appointment has anything to really do with being card-carrying supporters of any particular viewpoint.</p>
<p>To say that the author must be misogynist because of this apparent conspiracy against Keneally (and please make up your mind whether we&#8217;re working for the left or right wing on this one) is a self-evident spuriosity.</p>
<p>It would be utterly sexist to give her a free pass just because she has ovaries. People who may have thought installing a woman would deflect some of the ongoing fallout over the Neroesque performance of NSW&#8217;s ALP are the sexist protagonist&#8217;s here and have, in my opinion, done feminism and the movement for gender equality a far greater disservice than anybody who on the basis of past performance and an evident agenda are happy to openly criticize Keneally and demand that she be held to account.</p>
<p>And if somebody who has experience and insight from living in America can offer additional perspective on where she may be coming from, then why should they keep their lips sealed simply to avoid raising the uncomfortable possibility that we have again been ambushed by a dud with an agenda?</p>
<p>Kudos for the possibility that she is going to can the Rozelle train line? That&#8217;s a bit rich, considering she supported it until it became too politically impossible to do so. And let&#8217;s not mention her stated intent to look at overturning Nathan Rees&#8217; outgoing expansion of the state&#8217;s National Park estate.</p>
<p>If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, handles a press conference with less aplomb then a duck, then something&#8217;s fowl.</p>
<p>And as for anybody thinking that rejection of Keneally is an embrace for O&#8217;Farrell, I really don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re smoking but I&#8217;d advise you desist. Any kind of decency, skill, or social responsibility from the state opposition over the past decade would have provided some kind of buffer against the s#^!flood that now engulfs Macquarie Street and the rest of this state as a consequence.</p>
<p>If O&#8217;Farrell becomes Premier by default, simply because NSW Labor are less welcome than leprosy and yet the population is still not ready for a government of Greens and Independents, will that be the day that democracy strikes a triumphant pose? Or will that day simply punctuate the terrible sentence imposed on this nation&#8217;s most populous yet worst represented state?</p>
<p>Her proud claim to preparedness for the job as Minister for Planning was the she had read one of the relevant acts. Is any recent claim by a politician more worthy of a golf clap?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny the Red</title>
		<link>http://www.altmedia.net.au/holy-toledo-batman/14174#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After I posted the above, I read Elizabeth Farrelly’s (rather derivative! Wow, considering what she is being paid, why is she copying City Hub?) story in thursdays Herald. She repeats some of what was said here, some of what was said in another City Hub article on this site (Terrigals) and uses similar personal and vituperative language (&quot;KKK&quot;) to attack Ms Keneally. There were some comments also on the Herald&#039;s web site, including one from that other Hub writer who seemed to be having a wet moment at the thought that the great Ms F agreed with him... (yes, imitation is flattery)

With all due respects, and I’m happy to let you enjoy your moment in the sun, but I’m glad that finally, the inner city elite have seen the light, and that it shines clearly, as so many posters at the Herald indicated, directly onto the Liberal Party.

Which is where it always should always have been. Which means that Labor can finally rid itself of those whiney, nimby, self-hating, base-destroying blue-bloods and get back to doing what a left wing party should be doing – looking after the less well off, the vulnerable, the migrants and the working class. 

Yes, the westies, those racist, red neck, obese, SUV-driving planet destroyers that Elizabeth (see her book Blubberland) and City Hub so despise.

Many of the latter abandoned Labor because those elite parasites had tacked their self-interested bourgeois agendas onto Labor. But (phew!) finally they’re gone. So congrats, you’ve got Tony Abbott and Nick Minchin (any irony here, City Hub gents?) and a State Liberal Party ruled by a fluffball with with a team of nobodies, all committed to further privatisation of essential services, welfare cuts, workchoices, development at all costs, and all with closer links to the big end of town.

And why is everyone going at the new Premier like a rottweiler? So vehement has been the torrent of abuse from all corners of the establishment media (yes, that&#039;s you City Hub), that I’ve finally got it figured...

Elizabeth directly takes Kristina Keneally to task for not being &quot;green&quot; and anti-development, but instead being committed to social justice. Ahh, that&#039;s the problem! This is the true voice of the blue blood, the person who has it all, and is annoyed that others lower down down the economic scale might want a piece of the action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I posted the above, I read Elizabeth Farrelly’s (rather derivative! Wow, considering what she is being paid, why is she copying City Hub?) story in thursdays Herald. She repeats some of what was said here, some of what was said in another City Hub article on this site (Terrigals) and uses similar personal and vituperative language (&#8220;KKK&#8221;) to attack Ms Keneally. There were some comments also on the Herald&#8217;s web site, including one from that other Hub writer who seemed to be having a wet moment at the thought that the great Ms F agreed with him&#8230; (yes, imitation is flattery)</p>
<p>With all due respects, and I’m happy to let you enjoy your moment in the sun, but I’m glad that finally, the inner city elite have seen the light, and that it shines clearly, as so many posters at the Herald indicated, directly onto the Liberal Party.</p>
<p>Which is where it always should always have been. Which means that Labor can finally rid itself of those whiney, nimby, self-hating, base-destroying blue-bloods and get back to doing what a left wing party should be doing – looking after the less well off, the vulnerable, the migrants and the working class. </p>
<p>Yes, the westies, those racist, red neck, obese, SUV-driving planet destroyers that Elizabeth (see her book Blubberland) and City Hub so despise.</p>
<p>Many of the latter abandoned Labor because those elite parasites had tacked their self-interested bourgeois agendas onto Labor. But (phew!) finally they’re gone. So congrats, you’ve got Tony Abbott and Nick Minchin (any irony here, City Hub gents?) and a State Liberal Party ruled by a fluffball with with a team of nobodies, all committed to further privatisation of essential services, welfare cuts, workchoices, development at all costs, and all with closer links to the big end of town.</p>
<p>And why is everyone going at the new Premier like a rottweiler? So vehement has been the torrent of abuse from all corners of the establishment media (yes, that&#8217;s you City Hub), that I’ve finally got it figured&#8230;</p>
<p>Elizabeth directly takes Kristina Keneally to task for not being &#8220;green&#8221; and anti-development, but instead being committed to social justice. Ahh, that&#8217;s the problem! This is the true voice of the blue blood, the person who has it all, and is annoyed that others lower down down the economic scale might want a piece of the action.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny the Red</title>
		<link>http://www.altmedia.net.au/holy-toledo-batman/14174#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that really is a strange article, as the two posters above have already noted!

Clearly the author has some problems with his fellow Americans (the ones from the &quot;non-progressive&quot; bits). But he is the one sounding like the reactionary.

Has there been a coup at City Hub? I seem to remember it was trendy left once. A lot of it now sounds like its written by the ghost of PP McGuinness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that really is a strange article, as the two posters above have already noted!</p>
<p>Clearly the author has some problems with his fellow Americans (the ones from the &#8220;non-progressive&#8221; bits). But he is the one sounding like the reactionary.</p>
<p>Has there been a coup at City Hub? I seem to remember it was trendy left once. A lot of it now sounds like its written by the ghost of PP McGuinness.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.altmedia.net.au/holy-toledo-batman/14174#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... I read this one after I posted a comment on the other KKK story...

Seems like City Hub &quot;is hell bent on producing&quot; an &quot;homogenous&quot; media environment too, as its opinions on Ms Keneally are identical to the Murdoch and Fairfax press, as the poster above notes!

I agree about the KKK comment too. You are quite appalling, Mr Publisher.

Its one thing to criticise policy. But needless character slurs are horrible to read.

That&#039;s the last time I pick up your paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I read this one after I posted a comment on the other KKK story&#8230;</p>
<p>Seems like City Hub &#8220;is hell bent on producing&#8221; an &#8220;homogenous&#8221; media environment too, as its opinions on Ms Keneally are identical to the Murdoch and Fairfax press, as the poster above notes!</p>
<p>I agree about the KKK comment too. You are quite appalling, Mr Publisher.</p>
<p>Its one thing to criticise policy. But needless character slurs are horrible to read.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the last time I pick up your paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.altmedia.net.au/holy-toledo-batman/14174#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But some Americans can be slurred, right? A religious feminist from Ohio is fair game.

Did the author of this mean spirited rant get up in the morning (clearly from the wrong side of the bed) and decide to write something really nasty? What’s with the us of the middle initial? Ah, “right wing” (boo), American but not Californian (suspicious), religious, so she must be a racist redneck member of the KKK.

Just pathetic City Hub, you are making yourself look petty, miserable and ridiculous, like a cranky old misogynist. 

But tell me, what is &quot;alternative media?&quot;  Does it mean that you just join in the pissant chorus of negativity daily being unleashed in the Murdoch and Fairfax press? If so, you are poor, pale echo.

Like Murdoch and Fairfax, you are spending an awful lot of time attacking Labor – which until Thursday was led by the Left. Since the only alternative to Labor is a more right wing party (now ruled by climate change deniers), that’s obviously who you (and Murdoch and Fairfax) prefer. That puts the Hub right out of step with its inner city demographic. Apart from the property owners, whose money grievances you are championing in your fight against the Metro, the rest of us are actually still quite lefty progressive.

And here’s the best bit. KKK (sic) is about to scrap the Metro! As rumour has it anyway, and I think its a safe bet. Conservatives can always find something else to do with tax money rather than provide better public transport for the less well-off, as you know. 

Pyrmont will be &quot;saved&quot; from the horrors of the Metro. A &quot;right wing&quot; woman from Ohio can be your hero.

That should cheer you up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But some Americans can be slurred, right? A religious feminist from Ohio is fair game.</p>
<p>Did the author of this mean spirited rant get up in the morning (clearly from the wrong side of the bed) and decide to write something really nasty? What’s with the us of the middle initial? Ah, “right wing” (boo), American but not Californian (suspicious), religious, so she must be a racist redneck member of the KKK.</p>
<p>Just pathetic City Hub, you are making yourself look petty, miserable and ridiculous, like a cranky old misogynist. </p>
<p>But tell me, what is &#8220;alternative media?&#8221;  Does it mean that you just join in the pissant chorus of negativity daily being unleashed in the Murdoch and Fairfax press? If so, you are poor, pale echo.</p>
<p>Like Murdoch and Fairfax, you are spending an awful lot of time attacking Labor – which until Thursday was led by the Left. Since the only alternative to Labor is a more right wing party (now ruled by climate change deniers), that’s obviously who you (and Murdoch and Fairfax) prefer. That puts the Hub right out of step with its inner city demographic. Apart from the property owners, whose money grievances you are championing in your fight against the Metro, the rest of us are actually still quite lefty progressive.</p>
<p>And here’s the best bit. KKK (sic) is about to scrap the Metro! As rumour has it anyway, and I think its a safe bet. Conservatives can always find something else to do with tax money rather than provide better public transport for the less well-off, as you know. </p>
<p>Pyrmont will be &#8220;saved&#8221; from the horrors of the Metro. A &#8220;right wing&#8221; woman from Ohio can be your hero.</p>
<p>That should cheer you up.</p>
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